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Debate on Violent Video Games and Free Speech with Aaron Killingbeck…Who do you think won this one?

I am way to busy with my dissertation and my editorial duties at my University’s magazine, especially after we came back from the National Union of Students Media Summit a few days ago. A blog on the death penalty will be up in a few days, but for now, here is a conversation between Aaron Killingbeck and I. Aaron is a very good friend of mine and because we sometimes have different views on certain topics I can always count on him to give me a run for my money on Window Messenger Live. Here is our conversation on Violent Video Games

Manhunt 2 & Free Speech vs the people and the press.

and Free Speech.

(Please note that there are a few grammer and spelling mistakes, I just copy and pasted the rare conversation sorry about that. Too busy to edit.)

Kennie says:

Hi What’s up?

Aaron says:

Nothin’ Yourself?

Kennie says:

Not a lot just watching Manhunt 2 and makin’ some notes for my dissertation.

Aaron says:

*nods* too bad you’ve gotta watch crap like that…

Kennie says:

actually my dissertation is defending crap like this.

can I ask you a quetion?

Aaron says:

oh? sure

Kennie says:

Why do you think its Crap?

Aaron says:
given the content of the game and the point of it, it’s really no different than GTA or games like that…violence and gore for the sake of it…
Kennie says:
What is SAW Franchise, Hostel, Wolf Creek.
Gore for the sake of it.
Aaron says:
true, but those are movies where parents aren’t likely to let their kids get into them.  With games most parents don’t look too carefully at them so the kids can get ideas from it…
Kennie says:
Well that is their fault isn’t it.
If you are going to buy your kids their own game and not look properly at the box, why are you going to blame the game indsutry.
The Game industry clearly label their produces just like films.
Aaron says:
true, but there should be standards…like everyone wants free speech but they don’t like the responsibility that goes with it as well
Kennie says:
That’s like knowning that your kid as an alergy to nuts and because you didn’t look at the candy bar properly and you let them eat it your going to blame the candy bar company when they get sick.
Games like these are clearly adults Only, and they have been labeled that way, if you don’t like games like Manhunt 2 then don’t play the same. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to play it.
It’s like Saw, I don’t like to Saw Franchise which means I’m not going to see it when it comes out in the cinema no one is putting a gun to my head and forcing to watch all the gore.
But other people do like it, if I’m not going to ruin their fun just because I don’t like it.
Aaron says:
true, I agree with not being there being a nanny type state or regulations, but at the same time there is also a point where one can push something too far…say I made a game where the main objective was to kill and torture everyone in there in a unique and graphic fashion, and have plenty of women in there as well and give bonus points for the game if you rape her repeatedly before finishing her
off, if we can do gore like that why not do things like that as well?  Where does it stop?  when does it not become acceptable to do things like that and actually have some limits on what can and cannot be done?
Kennie says:
What game is that?
Aaron says:
none that I know of, but I’m just giving an example for the sake of arguement
Kennie says:
But their are movies like that, and they are mostly about torturing someone, forcing people to kill themselves and those aren’t being banned.
There isn’t any commotion about that.
A child is move likely to follow what they see in a movie than a vide game, a movie a lot more realistic than a video game bcause there are actual people toturing each other.
Aaron says:
true, but in a game they get to do it themselves and put themselves in the position of doing it…it’s much different psychologically than watching it
Kennie says:
Which comes back to the “Don’t let them play it” Part of the Argument.
Aaron says:
*nods* but like I said when does the point come where enough is enough?

Does Free Speech and Freedom of express really exist? And why is it over for some and not for others?

Kennie says:
There is never be a point of enough is enough.
It’s called Free Will, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of expression.
there is only so much that the media regulators can regulate.
Aaron says:
so does it have to be where enough people are revolted enough they say enough?  True, but with freedom comes responsibility
Kennie says:
and Our generation is become alot more desenisised to violence because we are growing up in that kind of world.
All you can do is keep your kids away from it until its time for them to understand that side of the world.
Aaron says:
true…and a lot of it is with parents and people being told they don’t need to take responsibility for themselves…that nothing is their fault…they don’t need to act like an adult they can act like a kid and no one will hold them to account…anything that goes wrong is someone elses fault never theirs…
I agree that people should be aware of violence in the world, but it doesn’t need to be constantly advertised and glorified every time we turn around as well
Kennie says:
I hope you san say that about sex.
Yeah what about sex?
No one is ayin’ that about sex but apparently sex sells doesn’t it?
Aaron says:
true, but they do have laws where you can’t show it every day and throw it in everyone’s face either
Kennie says:
to be honest I haven’t seen any violent game advertising on TV, and what about the news they throw violence into our face, People being raped, Murdered, War, Famine.
Aaron says:
true, I think there should be some limits on free speech, but they should be very carefully placed
Kennie says:
Free Speech not be regulated, if you stop one person from saying something then you’ll have to stop someone else from saying something and before you know it your living a lock down society.
It can not be regulated everyone has their opinions we just have to get over it and move on.
I don’t like it when someone calls me the N-word, but its their opinion of me, all I can do be stay humble, get over it and move on.
Aaron says:
*nods* then maybe people should start taking personal responsibility for themselves and not get a pass for misbehavior by others who give them a pass by saying “It’s their culture” or “They were oppressed decades or centuries ago, they’re just acting it out” stuff like that.
Maybe they also need to start questioning when they make these movies and games, “Do I want kids to see something like that?” or “Do I want to be known for making things that are gory, or full of sex scenes?” if the answer is yes then they have to live with it, if they whine about it later, people should say, you made the choice, deal with the consequences…they shoudl have thought about it
before they went and did that
brb
Kennie says:
Exactly, Rockstar is living with the decision they make, but they are makin’ games for adult entertainment not for children. I thknk part of this is because many people still see video games has something children pay with and not someone adults would be interested in at all, when it have obviously evovled into something that adults are beginning to enjoy.

Aaron says:

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/106689 if you’re interested, I think it’s very accurate for personal responsibility

I think I can fairly say that I might have won this one, but what do you think? Do you think that we both made valid points on both sides?
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Has the ‘NO SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE’ rule gone out the window because of the power sex has in modern society? And has it affected those who still believe in the rule causing them to marry for the wrong reasons? AKA I DO……WANT TO HAVE SEX.

“No sex ‘til marriage” is the most common phrase I have heard over my 21 years on this earth. It is preached by every religion and almost all parents, some religions take it more seriously than others

We are all famailiar with the rules, but in the 21st century it is clear that it has flown through the window and got hit by a bus. It seems as if it never existed in the first place. Teen Pregnancy, children born out wed-lock, and children by multiple partners. These, amongst other things, have become a normal way of life, it seems that sex has over powered society making the NSTM rule null and void. Sex has become very causal and doesn’t always have to involve love, while marriage has become more and more unpopular. In 2008 the number of registered marriages in England and Wales was 232,990 this, according to National Statistics Online, is the lowest numbers of marriages since 1895. They also stated that the number of unmarried adults rose in 2008. Is this because there is no longer a need for marriage.

Fair enough in the 1800s marriage was mostly for profit, but nowadays the profit part of marriage is gone in most cultures. In some cultures the arrange marriage is still alive and active, and they are the cultures who have the lowest divorce rate.

In our culture has sex completely replaced the act of marriage? Or is the idea of post martial sex only for one gender only. I was born of the Christian faith and because I was born female the no sex before marriage rule had been pushed onto me from birth. I’m sure many other girls as well have had the “talk” with their parents. In Jamaica, ( the country of my family origin) pre-martial sex in largely forbidden in many family because of our strict Christian back ground. Many would argue that the pre martial rule is only aimed at girls. This can be seen in the Islamic culture, a woman can not have sex until she is married. The fact that sexuality and sex is so freely open in most western cultures might mean that marriage is not needed but is only around for those who are still interested in it.

The other issue is the fact that some people who still believe in  no premartial sex, will be forced into marriage because of the pressure that sex has over many of us. A few days ago I was watching a programme on channel 4 called The One Year Itch, which looked at married couples one year into their marriages. One of the couples were an 18 and 19 year old, who were very religious  but most of their story was main about sex and how they wanted to do it.

It is clear that sex is always going to be part of our lives and the more we give into it, the more that it will take us over and we will no long have a need for marriage. It’s sad, but true.